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		<title>By: Aerial</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aerial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 02:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Swimsuit ban &amp; cyborg sport &#124; Speedo LZR questions


- How feels it to wear a &#039;Speedo LZR Racer Elite&#039; full body suit?

I read that it was extremely tight and complicated to put on. Is it different from a zentai or ordinary women&#039;s tights? Or feels it just like a regular swimsuit that was 2 sizes too small?

On YouTube is a video &quot;Speedo LZR Racer How To Put On&quot; and another clip &quot;Zwempak passen&quot; where someone accidentally ripped the upper leg:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1T-tvfNSIc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7wlcd0W7G0


- I read that the suits deteriorate after only few (4 to 7?) uses. What happens to them?

Does only the water repelling nano coating rub off or wash out, or is the material like balloon latex that in strongly stretched state rapidly looses its tension (which is claimed to be needed to support muscles?) and decomposes thousands times faster by contact with sweat and ozone by the extreme strain? Has here anybody experience with these suits?


- swimsuit ban by FINA

High tech swimsuits are history now after FINA has banned their competition use.

I see this with mixed emotions. On the one hand I regret this, because these skin tight futuristic suits looked awesome and were impressive engineer work, but on the other hand I can understand that these shortlived and expensive garments made many people angry due to many advanced swimmers and particularly kids in swim sport wanted them to (although often only visually) compete with the pro&#039;s (like with the infamous brand sneaker madness) but either could not afford at all the 550$ to 800$ expensive LZR Racer suit or only wear a used and worn out specimen until it became so loose that it filled with water and decelerated by causing more drag than ordinary swim pants. The initial fullsuit had definitely a gorgeous superhero appeal, but it was certainly also an awful ripoff regarding the price and how short they lasted.

Artists finally made an outdoor sculpture of the banned LZR suits.

Amazing Summer Pavilion Made from 200 Upcycled Speedo Swimsuits:
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2010/07/upcycled-speedo-pavilion-london.php

But the &quot;techno doping&quot; complaint that adding high tech makes sport unfair is absurd. Sport is not fair and never was; the phantasm that else everyone has the same chance to win is pointless. E.g. a guy like Michael Phelps has huge feet and a huge chest etc. by his genes that makes him faster than others, which can not be compensated by training but would rather need a genetical upgrade or surgery for other swimmers to compete with. Nor is professional sports healthy - eventually in fact it kills athletes by forced bodily overload, which is ethically not that different from pharmaceutical doping; after end of career many professional athletes even start to consume hard psychoactive drugs (cocaine, speed etc.) to fake the &quot;winners high&quot; their brain got addicted to, which reveals a disgusting cynicism in the sports club slogan &quot;Winners take no drugs&quot;. 

Technology in sports is no evil. Perverse is only when a company monopolizes by patents a technology (may it be a swimsuit, racing car or doping drug) necessary to win, and the way the entire thing is embedded into capitalism and suggests by ads that money can buy everything.


We need cyborg sports...

But we are living in an age of mind and technology where it is absurd to condemn and outlaw technological improvements and request that solely natural muscles should make winners. Stop watches are a disease of mankind that lead to tailorism and sweatshop piecework, thus creative problem solving should rather be honoured in sports now than the banal counting of milliseconds.

So it is time to create an alternative kind of cyborg olympic games that much like Paralympics applies a different set of rules allowing body-attached devices. But it should be a celebration of bionic optimization and energy efficiency, not a machismo contest boasting &quot;bigger is better&quot;. So not only grossly unhealthy or dangerous things but also devices those pollute environment (e.g. any combustion engines or pyrotechnical gadgets) should be outlawed. Also the use of patented gear (especially when made for the sport) should be banned to prevent monopolies. Like in car racing there should be several formulas with different rules.

E.g. in swimming with bionic devices there could be a formula where legal swimming aids can weight maximum 2kg in total and may include a small amount of stored energy (e.g. a weak rechargeable battery or pneumatic cylinder) to drive you forward. But the exact design should be restricted very little and so allow creative mechanical solutions like fins or fishtails or tiny propellers, so long it becomes no boat that glides over the water (which could be another formula).

In running and jumping disciplines devices like the spring walker and mechanical exoskelettons could be used. Also here weight, size and stored additional energy should be restricted by rules.

The bionic sports championship should not be intended to replace given sports but create a modern alternative. Whether this may make conventional sports die out by lack of interest only the future will tell.



Let&#039;s stay on the air...


:){&gt;X
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Swimsuit ban &amp; cyborg sport | Speedo LZR questions</p>
<p>- How feels it to wear a &#8216;Speedo LZR Racer Elite&#8217; full body suit?</p>
<p>I read that it was extremely tight and complicated to put on. Is it different from a zentai or ordinary women&#8217;s tights? Or feels it just like a regular swimsuit that was 2 sizes too small?</p>
<p>On YouTube is a video &#8220;Speedo LZR Racer How To Put On&#8221; and another clip &#8220;Zwempak passen&#8221; where someone accidentally ripped the upper leg:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1T-tvfNSIc" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1T-tvfNSIc</a><br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7wlcd0W7G0" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7wlcd0W7G0</a></p>
<p>- I read that the suits deteriorate after only few (4 to 7?) uses. What happens to them?</p>
<p>Does only the water repelling nano coating rub off or wash out, or is the material like balloon latex that in strongly stretched state rapidly looses its tension (which is claimed to be needed to support muscles?) and decomposes thousands times faster by contact with sweat and ozone by the extreme strain? Has here anybody experience with these suits?</p>
<p>- swimsuit ban by FINA</p>
<p>High tech swimsuits are history now after FINA has banned their competition use.</p>
<p>I see this with mixed emotions. On the one hand I regret this, because these skin tight futuristic suits looked awesome and were impressive engineer work, but on the other hand I can understand that these shortlived and expensive garments made many people angry due to many advanced swimmers and particularly kids in swim sport wanted them to (although often only visually) compete with the pro&#8217;s (like with the infamous brand sneaker madness) but either could not afford at all the 550$ to 800$ expensive LZR Racer suit or only wear a used and worn out specimen until it became so loose that it filled with water and decelerated by causing more drag than ordinary swim pants. The initial fullsuit had definitely a gorgeous superhero appeal, but it was certainly also an awful ripoff regarding the price and how short they lasted.</p>
<p>Artists finally made an outdoor sculpture of the banned LZR suits.</p>
<p>Amazing Summer Pavilion Made from 200 Upcycled Speedo Swimsuits:<br />
<a href="http://www.treehugger.com/files/2010/07/upcycled-speedo-pavilion-london.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.treehugger.com/files/2010/07/upcycled-speedo-pavilion-london.php</a></p>
<p>But the &#8220;techno doping&#8221; complaint that adding high tech makes sport unfair is absurd. Sport is not fair and never was; the phantasm that else everyone has the same chance to win is pointless. E.g. a guy like Michael Phelps has huge feet and a huge chest etc. by his genes that makes him faster than others, which can not be compensated by training but would rather need a genetical upgrade or surgery for other swimmers to compete with. Nor is professional sports healthy &#8211; eventually in fact it kills athletes by forced bodily overload, which is ethically not that different from pharmaceutical doping; after end of career many professional athletes even start to consume hard psychoactive drugs (cocaine, speed etc.) to fake the &#8220;winners high&#8221; their brain got addicted to, which reveals a disgusting cynicism in the sports club slogan &#8220;Winners take no drugs&#8221;. </p>
<p>Technology in sports is no evil. Perverse is only when a company monopolizes by patents a technology (may it be a swimsuit, racing car or doping drug) necessary to win, and the way the entire thing is embedded into capitalism and suggests by ads that money can buy everything.</p>
<p>We need cyborg sports&#8230;</p>
<p>But we are living in an age of mind and technology where it is absurd to condemn and outlaw technological improvements and request that solely natural muscles should make winners. Stop watches are a disease of mankind that lead to tailorism and sweatshop piecework, thus creative problem solving should rather be honoured in sports now than the banal counting of milliseconds.</p>
<p>So it is time to create an alternative kind of cyborg olympic games that much like Paralympics applies a different set of rules allowing body-attached devices. But it should be a celebration of bionic optimization and energy efficiency, not a machismo contest boasting &#8220;bigger is better&#8221;. So not only grossly unhealthy or dangerous things but also devices those pollute environment (e.g. any combustion engines or pyrotechnical gadgets) should be outlawed. Also the use of patented gear (especially when made for the sport) should be banned to prevent monopolies. Like in car racing there should be several formulas with different rules.</p>
<p>E.g. in swimming with bionic devices there could be a formula where legal swimming aids can weight maximum 2kg in total and may include a small amount of stored energy (e.g. a weak rechargeable battery or pneumatic cylinder) to drive you forward. But the exact design should be restricted very little and so allow creative mechanical solutions like fins or fishtails or tiny propellers, so long it becomes no boat that glides over the water (which could be another formula).</p>
<p>In running and jumping disciplines devices like the spring walker and mechanical exoskelettons could be used. Also here weight, size and stored additional energy should be restricted by rules.</p>
<p>The bionic sports championship should not be intended to replace given sports but create a modern alternative. Whether this may make conventional sports die out by lack of interest only the future will tell.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s stay on the air&#8230;</p>
<p> <img src='http://reachforthewall.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> {&gt;X<br />
Oo&#8211;oooOOOOOOooo&#8211;oO<br />
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		<title>By: SwammerE</title>
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		<dc:creator>SwammerE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 15:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jed, comparing tennis rackets and outfits to tech suits is absurd.  I don&#039;t actually know anything about tennis scoring, but unless a more expensive racket automatically scores you an extra point or two in a match, there is no comparision.  These suits quite literally take seconds off of a race.  Paul Biedermann, who just broke Ian Thorpe&#039;s 400 free record, openly acknowledged it was his suit.  As for swimming in cut-off shorts... depsite all his training and athleticism, Michael Phelps would lose against others wearing tech suits if he did that.

I too, however, laughed out loud while reading this article.  Mainly at the statement from one of the swimmers interviewed: “I didn’t go any faster, but you feel faster, though... the suits are a lot more mental than physical, but it was kind of crazy how big of a difference it made.”  Seriously?  If you didn&#039;t go any faster, it didn&#039;t make a difference!  Good job, you (or your parents) just spent $500 so you could FEEL fast... but not actually GO fast.  They do feel amazing, but that&#039;s not really the point, is it?  The point is to swim faster.  And the fact that a kid could put on of those on and not drop time is proof that they are not made for just any age group swimmer, but swimmers at a certain level of training and with the right body composition, combined with a proper taper.  

At least, this will all be over in 2010...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jed, comparing tennis rackets and outfits to tech suits is absurd.  I don&#8217;t actually know anything about tennis scoring, but unless a more expensive racket automatically scores you an extra point or two in a match, there is no comparision.  These suits quite literally take seconds off of a race.  Paul Biedermann, who just broke Ian Thorpe&#8217;s 400 free record, openly acknowledged it was his suit.  As for swimming in cut-off shorts&#8230; depsite all his training and athleticism, Michael Phelps would lose against others wearing tech suits if he did that.</p>
<p>I too, however, laughed out loud while reading this article.  Mainly at the statement from one of the swimmers interviewed: “I didn’t go any faster, but you feel faster, though&#8230; the suits are a lot more mental than physical, but it was kind of crazy how big of a difference it made.”  Seriously?  If you didn&#8217;t go any faster, it didn&#8217;t make a difference!  Good job, you (or your parents) just spent $500 so you could FEEL fast&#8230; but not actually GO fast.  They do feel amazing, but that&#8217;s not really the point, is it?  The point is to swim faster.  And the fact that a kid could put on of those on and not drop time is proof that they are not made for just any age group swimmer, but swimmers at a certain level of training and with the right body composition, combined with a proper taper.  </p>
<p>At least, this will all be over in 2010&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Swimparent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swimparent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 04:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Old School Fan - Unfortunately, you are incorrect.  Coaches Long Course, while run as a summer league meet, IS an observed meet and the times DO count for US swimming.  Most of the 15-18 yr olds wearing technical suits at that meet had EARNED them by previously going to nationals.  This meet is the summer league equivalent of Metros or Virginia AAA High School championship meets - and the kids respond as such.  Why should they not take advantage of the opportunity to swim fast? The meet comes at the perfect time, many are in the midst of a taper, just before qualifying period ends for US Open and Jr. Nationals.  While my teenager was wearing a technical suit, I can tell you that I did not go out and buy it - it was earned through years of hard work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Old School Fan &#8211; Unfortunately, you are incorrect.  Coaches Long Course, while run as a summer league meet, IS an observed meet and the times DO count for US swimming.  Most of the 15-18 yr olds wearing technical suits at that meet had EARNED them by previously going to nationals.  This meet is the summer league equivalent of Metros or Virginia AAA High School championship meets &#8211; and the kids respond as such.  Why should they not take advantage of the opportunity to swim fast? The meet comes at the perfect time, many are in the midst of a taper, just before qualifying period ends for US Open and Jr. Nationals.  While my teenager was wearing a technical suit, I can tell you that I did not go out and buy it &#8211; it was earned through years of hard work.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Knows Best</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Knows Best</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I assume that the conversation between parent and child goes something like this:
  &quot;Son, what do you want for Christmas&quot;?
  &quot;How about a $500 swim suit?  Then I will be able to get good times without having to practice very hard.  I will even be able to beat some kids talented than I am and who work harder.&quot;
  &quot;Son, I am so proud of you.  You have finally figured out why Mother and I have wanted you to play sports.&quot;

Needless to say, many of the parents quoted in this article have no clue.  Any parent who would let his or her kid wear a high-tech swim suit in a summer league competition should be made to feel very embarassed.  Rather than condoning or even supporting this, they should act like parents and teach their kids that doing whatever is necessary to win is not what sports -- or life -- should be about.

Same goes for the coaches who are quoted.  The excuse that &quot;everybody else wears them so our swimmers would be at a disadvantage&quot; rings awfully hollow.  I am guessing that if Curle-Burke and RMSC, which are two of the top clubs in the nation, took a stand, that would make a difference.  Could it be that these coaches actually like the suits because (1) they do make their swimmers post better times, and (2) their clubs have the means -- financial and otherwise -- to get them?

Parents need to think more carefully about the reasons why they have their kids swim or play other sports.  For myself, it is to teach them valuable life lessons and to develop a habit of exercise and living heathfully while having fun.  I certainly don&#039;t see it as a way to teach my kids that cheating  -- in spirit if not in fact -- pays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I assume that the conversation between parent and child goes something like this:<br />
  &#8220;Son, what do you want for Christmas&#8221;?<br />
  &#8220;How about a $500 swim suit?  Then I will be able to get good times without having to practice very hard.  I will even be able to beat some kids talented than I am and who work harder.&#8221;<br />
  &#8220;Son, I am so proud of you.  You have finally figured out why Mother and I have wanted you to play sports.&#8221;</p>
<p>Needless to say, many of the parents quoted in this article have no clue.  Any parent who would let his or her kid wear a high-tech swim suit in a summer league competition should be made to feel very embarassed.  Rather than condoning or even supporting this, they should act like parents and teach their kids that doing whatever is necessary to win is not what sports &#8212; or life &#8212; should be about.</p>
<p>Same goes for the coaches who are quoted.  The excuse that &#8220;everybody else wears them so our swimmers would be at a disadvantage&#8221; rings awfully hollow.  I am guessing that if Curle-Burke and RMSC, which are two of the top clubs in the nation, took a stand, that would make a difference.  Could it be that these coaches actually like the suits because (1) they do make their swimmers post better times, and (2) their clubs have the means &#8212; financial and otherwise &#8212; to get them?</p>
<p>Parents need to think more carefully about the reasons why they have their kids swim or play other sports.  For myself, it is to teach them valuable life lessons and to develop a habit of exercise and living heathfully while having fun.  I certainly don&#8217;t see it as a way to teach my kids that cheating  &#8212; in spirit if not in fact &#8212; pays.</p>
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		<title>By: Speedo is all I wear</title>
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		<dc:creator>Speedo is all I wear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you people nuts?  Ranting about kids wearing expensive suits doesn&#039;t matter - its the talent ant training pure and simple, not the suit.  Any parent who thinks that &quot;we didn’t buy him a suit to be the reason why he didn’t achieve something.” needs their head examed!  This is why I hate Washington DC, overacheiving is a way of life at any cost.  I have lived in 8 states across this land and never have I seen such a group of parents in this town who thinks little Johnny and Suzy are going to be the next great sports person.  Get a life and love you kids unconditionally and let them have some screw-ups.

Steve M has it right - a little adversity makes the person better, not a $500 suit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you people nuts?  Ranting about kids wearing expensive suits doesn&#8217;t matter &#8211; its the talent ant training pure and simple, not the suit.  Any parent who thinks that &#8220;we didn’t buy him a suit to be the reason why he didn’t achieve something.” needs their head examed!  This is why I hate Washington DC, overacheiving is a way of life at any cost.  I have lived in 8 states across this land and never have I seen such a group of parents in this town who thinks little Johnny and Suzy are going to be the next great sports person.  Get a life and love you kids unconditionally and let them have some screw-ups.</p>
<p>Steve M has it right &#8211; a little adversity makes the person better, not a $500 suit!</p>
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		<title>By: oldschoolfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>oldschoolfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uhh, as far as I know their is only one olympic athlete that was swimming summer league in the area and that was Kate Ziegler who I never saw sporting a tech suit . Yes their are MANY kids in the area that have a jr or nat or ot cut and and at a USS meet , given todays climate it is understandable that they want to where a tech suit but long course or not, the elite of the elite or not..the coaches lc meet is still a summer league meet and has to be observed and approved to be sanctioned.it is not a us meet or a pvs meet..the kids represent their summer league teams correct?

Oh and as far as the kids &quot;being the best of the best, some of whom compare to Olympic athletes&quot;..
At this meet..are you kidding me? Take a look at the times then take a look at WCT results. These fine athletes have a LONG way to go and best of luck to them. I just hope overzealous parents can still help them keep their perspective .

On a sidenote, a quick glimpse of the times this year showed several jr cuts being made by kids that undoubtedly all ready had them and NO wct cuts or open cuts or 2008 ot cuts . And congratulations to anyone that broke a record wearing a tech suit at a summer league meet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uhh, as far as I know their is only one olympic athlete that was swimming summer league in the area and that was Kate Ziegler who I never saw sporting a tech suit . Yes their are MANY kids in the area that have a jr or nat or ot cut and and at a USS meet , given todays climate it is understandable that they want to where a tech suit but long course or not, the elite of the elite or not..the coaches lc meet is still a summer league meet and has to be observed and approved to be sanctioned.it is not a us meet or a pvs meet..the kids represent their summer league teams correct?</p>
<p>Oh and as far as the kids &#8220;being the best of the best, some of whom compare to Olympic athletes&#8221;..<br />
At this meet..are you kidding me? Take a look at the times then take a look at WCT results. These fine athletes have a LONG way to go and best of luck to them. I just hope overzealous parents can still help them keep their perspective .</p>
<p>On a sidenote, a quick glimpse of the times this year showed several jr cuts being made by kids that undoubtedly all ready had them and NO wct cuts or open cuts or 2008 ot cuts . And congratulations to anyone that broke a record wearing a tech suit at a summer league meet.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Shipley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy Shipley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment, but this story was written and reported by Ishita within the past two weeks. It has not been printed previously.</description>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 02:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For everyone who isn&#039;t clear on why these suits only last 5 or so swims...Its not that the suit is worthless after a few swims...you can still wear them and they are still a lot faster than wearing a speedo but the manufactures of the suits (suits with permeable fabric like the TYR Trcer light and the FS Pro, not neoprene suits like the Blue Seventy Jaked and Arena X-Glide) have developed a water repellent coating that is applied to the suits which can reduce the absorption of water to as little as .05%. But the downside is that this coating wears off after so many uses. The next time any of you get a chance to see a permeable suit that hasn&#039;t been worn stretch the fabric out over your hand and drop a few drops of water on it and you will see what I mean. As this coating wears off the suits absorb more water and are not SLOW by any means but are not as good as a brand new one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For everyone who isn&#8217;t clear on why these suits only last 5 or so swims&#8230;Its not that the suit is worthless after a few swims&#8230;you can still wear them and they are still a lot faster than wearing a speedo but the manufactures of the suits (suits with permeable fabric like the TYR Trcer light and the FS Pro, not neoprene suits like the Blue Seventy Jaked and Arena X-Glide) have developed a water repellent coating that is applied to the suits which can reduce the absorption of water to as little as .05%. But the downside is that this coating wears off after so many uses. The next time any of you get a chance to see a permeable suit that hasn&#8217;t been worn stretch the fabric out over your hand and drop a few drops of water on it and you will see what I mean. As this coating wears off the suits absorb more water and are not SLOW by any means but are not as good as a brand new one.</p>
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		<title>By: AJPongrace</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJPongrace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 02:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all. Coaches Long Course Meet for those that don&#039;t know is the top eight in the montgomery County Swim League. Montgomery Country has many swimmers from PVS which is one of the if not the most competitive swim league in the country. This is not just any summer meet. Since these times are in a longcourse pool they can be used to QUALIFY for such meets as junior nationals and bigger meets. These kids wearing the LZRs and Blue 70s are good enough to wear them. These suits give them an edge on times and competition and they MOST CERTAINLY help swimmers. The body stays streamlined even when tired and the suits are so tight that they keep the muscles from vibrating which makes you more tired. These suits also reduce drag dramatically. The kids swimming in this meet have junior national, NATIONAL, and OLYMPIC TRIALS cuts. These are not just some summer leage kids racing eachtother. these are the best of the best some of whom compare to olympic athletes. Most of these swimmer&#039;s got their suits at reduced prices because they are so good that at Junior nationals etc. they are given suits. SO.. BEFORE you go off on a rant about how mommies are spoiling these kids know who these kids are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all. Coaches Long Course Meet for those that don&#8217;t know is the top eight in the montgomery County Swim League. Montgomery Country has many swimmers from PVS which is one of the if not the most competitive swim league in the country. This is not just any summer meet. Since these times are in a longcourse pool they can be used to QUALIFY for such meets as junior nationals and bigger meets. These kids wearing the LZRs and Blue 70s are good enough to wear them. These suits give them an edge on times and competition and they MOST CERTAINLY help swimmers. The body stays streamlined even when tired and the suits are so tight that they keep the muscles from vibrating which makes you more tired. These suits also reduce drag dramatically. The kids swimming in this meet have junior national, NATIONAL, and OLYMPIC TRIALS cuts. These are not just some summer leage kids racing eachtother. these are the best of the best some of whom compare to olympic athletes. Most of these swimmer&#8217;s got their suits at reduced prices because they are so good that at Junior nationals etc. they are given suits. SO.. BEFORE you go off on a rant about how mommies are spoiling these kids know who these kids are.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris M.</title>
		<link>http://reachforthewall.com/2009/07/15/high-tech-swimsuits-are-a-drag-on-wallets/comment-page-1/#comment-159</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 23:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are examples of where eqipment that makes you faster is banned from competition because of cost. The best I can think of are the slidign riggers in rowing. They have a clear advantage, because moving the riggers instead of the rower means you have to move less mass around, and you reduce hydrodynamic drag from the stamping motion of the shell due to the shifting mass. I tried one of these contraptions at an exhibition, and they really work. Good for maybe a second on a 2000m race. FISA (the world rowing federation) banned those very expensive movable outriggers in the eighties, because of pressure from the USSR and similar countries who just didn&#039;t or could&#039;t want to keep up with that aspect of the arms race. I presume one could do domething similar with these swimsuits - limit how much of the surface of a swimmer may be covered by a suit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are examples of where eqipment that makes you faster is banned from competition because of cost. The best I can think of are the slidign riggers in rowing. They have a clear advantage, because moving the riggers instead of the rower means you have to move less mass around, and you reduce hydrodynamic drag from the stamping motion of the shell due to the shifting mass. I tried one of these contraptions at an exhibition, and they really work. Good for maybe a second on a 2000m race. FISA (the world rowing federation) banned those very expensive movable outriggers in the eighties, because of pressure from the USSR and similar countries who just didn&#8217;t or could&#8217;t want to keep up with that aspect of the arms race. I presume one could do domething similar with these swimsuits &#8211; limit how much of the surface of a swimmer may be covered by a suit.</p>
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